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		<title>By: Derby City CrossFit Louisville - Monday - Workout of the Day (WOD) &#124; Louisville CrossFit - Derby City CrossFit</title>
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		<title>By: Mon, Dec 21st &#8211; CrossFit Ireland - Great People. Great Fitness.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mon, Dec 21st &#8211; CrossFit Ireland - Great People. Great Fitness.</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ddeaton</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found from personal experience and the experiences of my athletes that the 3 on 1 off schedule at higher intensities does not allow enough recovery time for older athletes. This is variable based on the &quot;body age&quot; of each athlete, but in general this should apply. I have gone to a 5 on 2 off schedule and so far have higher performance, a better sense of wellness, and improved times in my time domains. So, that is working for me. I went from 3 on 1 off, to 3 on 1off, 2 on 1 off, and then 5 on 2 off. For Cathy, I would recommend looking to your performance. If you are growing, improving, feeling good, 6 days a week may work for you. There is no cookbook recipe! But, if you are observing less performance, aches and pains and plateaued growth maybe a change is in order. Self evaluation and the eyes of another athlete are great to help us gain a better perspective. Ask someone you trust to honestly assess your performance. Now, for the &quot;days off&quot;, spend those days in active rest. Foam rolling, trigger point work, active/static stretching, learning more about nutrition or training, etc.... Hope this helps. You have to change your paradigm of what will get you where you want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found from personal experience and the experiences of my athletes that the 3 on 1 off schedule at higher intensities does not allow enough recovery time for older athletes. This is variable based on the &#8220;body age&#8221; of each athlete, but in general this should apply. I have gone to a 5 on 2 off schedule and so far have higher performance, a better sense of wellness, and improved times in my time domains. So, that is working for me. I went from 3 on 1 off, to 3 on 1off, 2 on 1 off, and then 5 on 2 off. For Cathy, I would recommend looking to your performance. If you are growing, improving, feeling good, 6 days a week may work for you. There is no cookbook recipe! But, if you are observing less performance, aches and pains and plateaued growth maybe a change is in order. Self evaluation and the eyes of another athlete are great to help us gain a better perspective. Ask someone you trust to honestly assess your performance. Now, for the &#8220;days off&#8221;, spend those days in active rest. Foam rolling, trigger point work, active/static stretching, learning more about nutrition or training, etc&#8230;. Hope this helps. You have to change your paradigm of what will get you where you want to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article. I am a 49 y/o woman who thought she was fit, but then found the amazing benifits of crossfit. My 23 y/o daughter got me started and we faithfully attend classes 4 times a week. We both use the 2 on 1 off and it works great. I do supplement with cycling and running stairs on my days off. It&#039;s great to be in an enviroment where you only compete with yourself. Our trainer is very educated and stresses the importance of recovery and nutrition. I am stronger and more fit than i was in my 30&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article. I am a 49 y/o woman who thought she was fit, but then found the amazing benifits of crossfit. My 23 y/o daughter got me started and we faithfully attend classes 4 times a week. We both use the 2 on 1 off and it works great. I do supplement with cycling and running stairs on my days off. It&#8217;s great to be in an enviroment where you only compete with yourself. Our trainer is very educated and stresses the importance of recovery and nutrition. I am stronger and more fit than i was in my 30&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be agreed that older athletes could benefit from cutting down on volume of workouts tin order to be able to keep up intensity and reduce the risk of injury.

I&#039;d be super curious about how to cope with the psycholgy of making those changes.  As someone who has worked out 6 days a week for more than 2 decades, I find the idea of cutting back to be a hard lifestyle change.  I know from my nagging shoulder injury, and inability to go at the WOD hard each day, it would probably be good for me.  But I always feel psychologically better the days  I have been active (running, CrossFit, hiking)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be agreed that older athletes could benefit from cutting down on volume of workouts tin order to be able to keep up intensity and reduce the risk of injury.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be super curious about how to cope with the psycholgy of making those changes.  As someone who has worked out 6 days a week for more than 2 decades, I find the idea of cutting back to be a hard lifestyle change.  I know from my nagging shoulder injury, and inability to go at the WOD hard each day, it would probably be good for me.  But I always feel psychologically better the days  I have been active (running, CrossFit, hiking)</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Smith</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very timely article!  I am nearly 39 and like Melissa I didn&#039;t pay much attention to my body or what I was doing to it and as a result now with Crossfit I am stronger and healthier than I have ever been, but I do have to remind myself that I am not 20 anymore and can&#039;t beat up on myself because I can&#039;t keep up with the 20 yo&#039;s!!!  

I would love to know how the 3 on - 1 off training schedule should be modified for older athletes.  Or if it should?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very timely article!  I am nearly 39 and like Melissa I didn&#8217;t pay much attention to my body or what I was doing to it and as a result now with Crossfit I am stronger and healthier than I have ever been, but I do have to remind myself that I am not 20 anymore and can&#8217;t beat up on myself because I can&#8217;t keep up with the 20 yo&#8217;s!!!  </p>
<p>I would love to know how the 3 on &#8211; 1 off training schedule should be modified for older athletes.  Or if it should?</p>
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		<title>By: CrossFit Mt. Olive</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ddeaton</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff DC! I think the important thing to consider in any injury recovery is the appropriate progression of loading the tissue in steps that support the development and healing. In my own personal experience as an athlete and a physical therapist, heavy lifting whether at sub-maximal or maximal loads has a valuable roll. But, there has to be a progression, sense of awareness to proper mechanics and accountability to training principles. There are many athletes out there that will read this blog and say, &quot;what a bunch of rubbish.&quot; But, most of those athletes are 20 y/o athletes with a body that is genetically still in the growth process. Older athletes that have experienced what you are talking about, or even younger athletes that have sustained an injury, realize what you have gone through. Tissue that has been injured is not trained the same as tissue that is normal. There must be adherence to the healing process. I think you hit the nail on the head. Volume appears to be the greatest needed area of modification or scaling. With newer athletes in our gym we start with lower volume, reps and particular attention to movement patterns that support proper mechanics. As the volume increases, the joints and biomechanical chain needs to be moving  correctly to be able to eventually support these larger loads. As the athlete progresses to higher loads, the coach must listen to how the their body is adapting to the training. BTW, in most professional realms of sport, 30 us not old, but it is not young either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff DC! I think the important thing to consider in any injury recovery is the appropriate progression of loading the tissue in steps that support the development and healing. In my own personal experience as an athlete and a physical therapist, heavy lifting whether at sub-maximal or maximal loads has a valuable roll. But, there has to be a progression, sense of awareness to proper mechanics and accountability to training principles. There are many athletes out there that will read this blog and say, &#8220;what a bunch of rubbish.&#8221; But, most of those athletes are 20 y/o athletes with a body that is genetically still in the growth process. Older athletes that have experienced what you are talking about, or even younger athletes that have sustained an injury, realize what you have gone through. Tissue that has been injured is not trained the same as tissue that is normal. There must be adherence to the healing process. I think you hit the nail on the head. Volume appears to be the greatest needed area of modification or scaling. With newer athletes in our gym we start with lower volume, reps and particular attention to movement patterns that support proper mechanics. As the volume increases, the joints and biomechanical chain needs to be moving  correctly to be able to eventually support these larger loads. As the athlete progresses to higher loads, the coach must listen to how the their body is adapting to the training. BTW, in most professional realms of sport, 30 us not old, but it is not young either.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add -

I say &quot;heavy lifting&quot; in this kind of general way above.  There&#039;s lifting that&#039;s heavy that&#039;s submaximal and there&#039;s lifting that&#039;s heavy that&#039;s give-it-all-you-got.  And I am still a novice lifter, so I can&#039;t speak authoritatively from personal experience or coaching expertise about the advantages and disadvantages of these things in relation to my (or anyone else&#039;s) particular needs and injury history.  I continue to learn and I can infer ---&gt; but there&#039;s certainly a lot of conflicting beliefs and advice.</description>
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<p>I say &#8220;heavy lifting&#8221; in this kind of general way above.  There&#8217;s lifting that&#8217;s heavy that&#8217;s submaximal and there&#8217;s lifting that&#8217;s heavy that&#8217;s give-it-all-you-got.  And I am still a novice lifter, so I can&#8217;t speak authoritatively from personal experience or coaching expertise about the advantages and disadvantages of these things in relation to my (or anyone else&#8217;s) particular needs and injury history.  I continue to learn and I can infer &#8212;&gt; but there&#8217;s certainly a lot of conflicting beliefs and advice.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allison at Crossfitnyc linked to this article on the CFNYC blog - thanks for writing it!

This topic is of great interest to me.  Although I&#039;m only 30, I&#039;m acutely aware of how, as I age, I continue to amass this very particular history of experience and injury in my body that shapes my physical abilities and needs.

For the first time in my life I have suffered two rather painful and slow-to-heal injuries unprecipitated by specific traumatic events.  Both of these injuries occurred in rapid succession, the first one just after my 6-months-of-Crossfit-and-heavy-lifting mark.

I came to Crossfit as an athlete/dancer/former tumbler (who&#039;d recently returned to tumbler) and I was used to a high volume of activity, but I failed to adequately address my recovery needs as I added to the volume and overall intensity of my training and physical work.

It seems to me that an important question is not merely why we can or cannot do something, but whether if, simply because we can, we should.

I am still injured now (since July 09 ---&gt; though the first injury has healed and I&#039;m just healing the second), but as I return to my activities, I will have new considerations to take into account.  Especially now that I&#039;ve suffered a lumbar/sacral injury I&#039;ve got a lot of concerns about the potential trade-offs of lifting heavy.

I understand that there&#039;s a lot of evidence that heavy lifting executed with perfect form is actually therapeutic, but it may be that the potential perils of lifting heavy with anything less than absolutely stellar biomechanics all the time outweigh for me the benefits of that particular kind of training.


I use my body not just for my enjoyment of my life, but also my livelihood as a performer and movement educator.  Every injury in my life has been a time of incredible learning and in the case of the few really major injuries I&#039;ve had, I&#039;ve always gained awareness, intelligence, and strength in my healing process.

But I&#039;d really rather not find out that an injury that in my 20s might have meant a little pain (or even a lot!) over a moderate period means a lot of pain - or permanent pain - over a sustained period as I get older.  And I want to make sure that the ways in which I train actually benefit my priorities and goals in life, rather than being ends in and of themselves.

I hope my comments aren&#039;t riddled with typos or grammatical errors ---&gt; the website form will not allow me to scroll up to review my comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allison at Crossfitnyc linked to this article on the CFNYC blog &#8211; thanks for writing it!</p>
<p>This topic is of great interest to me.  Although I&#8217;m only 30, I&#8217;m acutely aware of how, as I age, I continue to amass this very particular history of experience and injury in my body that shapes my physical abilities and needs.</p>
<p>For the first time in my life I have suffered two rather painful and slow-to-heal injuries unprecipitated by specific traumatic events.  Both of these injuries occurred in rapid succession, the first one just after my 6-months-of-Crossfit-and-heavy-lifting mark.</p>
<p>I came to Crossfit as an athlete/dancer/former tumbler (who&#8217;d recently returned to tumbler) and I was used to a high volume of activity, but I failed to adequately address my recovery needs as I added to the volume and overall intensity of my training and physical work.</p>
<p>It seems to me that an important question is not merely why we can or cannot do something, but whether if, simply because we can, we should.</p>
<p>I am still injured now (since July 09 &#8212;&gt; though the first injury has healed and I&#8217;m just healing the second), but as I return to my activities, I will have new considerations to take into account.  Especially now that I&#8217;ve suffered a lumbar/sacral injury I&#8217;ve got a lot of concerns about the potential trade-offs of lifting heavy.</p>
<p>I understand that there&#8217;s a lot of evidence that heavy lifting executed with perfect form is actually therapeutic, but it may be that the potential perils of lifting heavy with anything less than absolutely stellar biomechanics all the time outweigh for me the benefits of that particular kind of training.</p>
<p>I use my body not just for my enjoyment of my life, but also my livelihood as a performer and movement educator.  Every injury in my life has been a time of incredible learning and in the case of the few really major injuries I&#8217;ve had, I&#8217;ve always gained awareness, intelligence, and strength in my healing process.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d really rather not find out that an injury that in my 20s might have meant a little pain (or even a lot!) over a moderate period means a lot of pain &#8211; or permanent pain &#8211; over a sustained period as I get older.  And I want to make sure that the ways in which I train actually benefit my priorities and goals in life, rather than being ends in and of themselves.</p>
<p>I hope my comments aren&#8217;t riddled with typos or grammatical errors &#8212;&gt; the website form will not allow me to scroll up to review my comments!</p>
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