Comments on: Invictus http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/ Where life is measured in kilos. Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:04:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wes http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2176 Wes Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:10:30 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2176 I haven't come across a better resource out there than the PMenu. If your serious about training and especially if your serious about coaching, claiming $2.50 a month for top notch info is insane and ridiculous. Back issues or not. I haven’t come across a better resource out there than the PMenu. If your serious about training and especially if your serious about coaching, claiming $2.50 a month for top notch info is insane and ridiculous. Back issues or not.

]]> By: grambo http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2175 grambo Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:35:48 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2175 The definition of novice/intermediate/advanced is not how much you can lift, but rather how your recovery is, how fast you adapt to stimulation etc. Novice = adapt fast = linear progression = constant PRs. Intermediate and above you need longer to rest so you use periodization methods to work up to PRs. Novice is a good thing but many people refuse to believe it. I agree about PMenu, I was going to buy a membership but no access to back issues is insane in the realm of digital media. The definition of novice/intermediate/advanced is not how much you can lift, but rather how your recovery is, how fast you adapt to stimulation etc. Novice = adapt fast = linear progression = constant PRs. Intermediate and above you need longer to rest so you use periodization methods to work up to PRs. Novice is a good thing but many people refuse to believe it.

I agree about PMenu, I was going to buy a membership but no access to back issues is insane in the realm of digital media.

]]> By: dan http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2174 dan Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:16:37 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2174 haha - its just that you don't get access to older articles, and usually, in each monthly journal, there might be only 1 or 2 articles that I would actually want to read. plus, i'm a student who doesn't get regular hours to the S&C room because its reserved for varsity athletes who squat on their toes and only use the bench press when there are 8? platforms with full sets of bumpers each. pursuing elite fitness is certainly on the to do list, but there are a lot of limiting factors and things that take precedence over it. if im not mistaken, you would be considered ADVANCED on the CF total chart. my working definition of being done with beginner is when max efforts don't yield PRs frequently anymore, and that's usually pretty quick depending on the athlete i think ... but it seems that some people have done pretty well doing just crossfit, but i think that's more because they're genetically gifted. btw, you should post videos of your WL PRs! haha – its just that you don’t get access to older articles, and usually, in each monthly journal, there might be only 1 or 2 articles that I would actually want to read. plus, i’m a student who doesn’t get regular hours to the S&C room because its reserved for varsity athletes who squat on their toes and only use the bench press when there are 8? platforms with full sets of bumpers each. pursuing elite fitness is certainly on the to do list, but there are a lot of limiting factors and things that take precedence over it.

if im not mistaken, you would be considered ADVANCED on the CF total chart. my working definition of being done with beginner is when max efforts don’t yield PRs frequently anymore, and that’s usually pretty quick depending on the athlete i think … but it seems that some people have done pretty well doing just crossfit, but i think that’s more because they’re genetically gifted.

btw, you should post videos of your WL PRs!

]]> By: dutch http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2173 dutch Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:14:07 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2173 Really Dan??!?! $30 is too much for a year of high quality training and nutrition info?? Thats strange to me. Yes they are beginning strength programs and by design i would imagine. Dedicate a couple years to strength training and you might graduate to being an intermediate lifter. I still claim the beginner title. Thats not a bad thing either. Really Dan??!?! $30 is too much for a year of high quality training and nutrition info??
Thats strange to me.

Yes they are beginning strength programs and by design i would imagine.
Dedicate a couple years to strength training and you might graduate to being an intermediate lifter. I still claim the beginner title. Thats not a bad thing either.

]]> By: dan http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2172 dan Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:08:18 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2172 Hey Dutch, If that's the case, is the main-site CF WOD a beginner program too? They only have max-effort strength days, which are far and few. CFSB too relies only on max effort as well. That's a lot of beginner programs! Also, that begs the question how do you know you're not a beginner anymore? From what I understand (which is not much), max-efforts loose their effectiveness probably after several months. Thanks for the heads up with the PM journal - I'll check it out (I really wish it was the same price as the CF journal). Hey Dutch,
If that’s the case, is the main-site CF WOD a beginner program too? They only have max-effort strength days, which are far and few. CFSB too relies only on max effort as well. That’s a lot of beginner programs!

Also, that begs the question how do you know you’re not a beginner anymore? From what I understand (which is not much), max-efforts loose their effectiveness probably after several months.

Thanks for the heads up with the PM journal – I’ll check it out (I really wish it was the same price as the CF journal).

]]> By: dutch http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2171 dutch Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:53:02 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2171 Dan, I think work rest intervals are totally individual and don't feel comfortable prescribing it for anyone including my athletes. I give them a workload for the week and let them sort out the work rest. concerning the max effort vs submax lifts. What you are seeing on MEBB and CFI are beginner programs. What they are lifting feels heavy for them but are nowhere near their true max loads. Rutmans new advanced MEBB template using the conjugate method you are talking about and i really like it. You can read more about it in this months PM. Dan,
I think work rest intervals are totally individual and don’t feel comfortable prescribing it for anyone including my athletes. I give them a workload for the week and let them sort out the work rest.

concerning the max effort vs submax lifts. What you are seeing on MEBB and CFI are beginner programs. What they are lifting feels heavy for them but are nowhere near their true max loads.
Rutmans new advanced MEBB template using the conjugate method you are talking about and i really like it. You can read more about it in this months PM.

]]> By: dan http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2170 dan Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:03:42 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2170 another question - sorry, this isn't entirely related, but i wanted to ask what you think about doing max effort lifts vs. sub-maximal progressions for improving strength. from what i understand, the strength components for CF invictus and MEBB are meant for you to go for a PR every time. however, most real strength programs require you to spend a lot of time in the 70%-80% range, and i remember hearing dave tate say something about it being counterproductive if you did too many reps at 90% or over. another question – sorry, this isn’t entirely related, but i wanted to ask what you think about doing max effort lifts vs. sub-maximal progressions for improving strength.

from what i understand, the strength components for CF invictus and MEBB are meant for you to go for a PR every time. however, most real strength programs require you to spend a lot of time in the 70%-80% range, and i remember hearing dave tate say something about it being counterproductive if you did too many reps at 90% or over.

]]> By: dan http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2169 dan Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:25:56 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2169 Hey Dutch, I noticed that CF Invictus posts a WOD for every day of the week except Sunday. How would you select the workouts? 3 on 2 off? Should the fact that there is strength + metcon decrease the frequency of the workouts? I know that Coach Rut's blog, which has strength + metcon, only does 3 days a week. cheers, Dan Hey Dutch,
I noticed that CF Invictus posts a WOD for every day of the week except Sunday. How would you select the workouts? 3 on 2 off?

Should the fact that there is strength + metcon decrease the frequency of the workouts? I know that Coach Rut’s blog, which has strength + metcon, only does 3 days a week.

cheers,
Dan

]]> By: Cynthia http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2168 Cynthia Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:24:40 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2168 WOWIE!! I was just telling CJ this morning how much I enjoyed reading your blog entries and here you are talking about him! He's pretty cool, even if he has horrible dance moves. Your post yesterday was really helpful for me. I don't have an athletic background and hell if I know what ATP means and what the phosphagen system is. So your explanations of how long to workout and pacing are easy for me to understand. Thanks for the info on your blog. I'm impressed with how you write and how you handle yourself when challenged by people who don't realize that maybe you know what you are talking about! Cynthia WOWIE!! I was just telling CJ this morning how much I enjoyed reading your blog entries and here you are talking about him! He’s pretty cool, even if he has horrible dance moves.

Your post yesterday was really helpful for me. I don’t have an athletic background and hell if I know what ATP means and what the phosphagen system is. So your explanations of how long to workout and pacing are easy for me to understand.

Thanks for the info on your blog. I’m impressed with how you write and how you handle yourself when challenged by people who don’t realize that maybe you know what you are talking about!

Cynthia

]]> By: dutch http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/10/02/invictus/#comment-2167 dutch Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:47:56 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=795#comment-2167 POS, I totally agree. Why do you think i take every opportunity i get to go to San Diego?? POS,
I totally agree. Why do you think i take every opportunity i get to go to San Diego??

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