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24 Jun 2009I got a question yesterday about a couple things that have come up recently concerning programming workouts. There have been 2 articles recently concerning scaling for a greater power output. One in the CFjournal and one in the Performance Menu. I wrote something to the same effect the month before in the PM as well. My seminar also covers this topic as well as hands on exposure to making it happen.
The question was in regards to these articles and Tony Buddings comments on the CF Journal article. You can see his comment here . Chris was nice enough to copy it in comments in case you haven’t seen it.
I don’t want to get into a big argument about this topic but i do want to have a chance to refute Tony’s comment.
First of all just the thought of GPP (general physical preparedness) scares the crap out of me! In order to be fit by GPP standards i can’t be good at anything but have to be ok at everything. That sounds ok but how do we make it happen? The last couple days have been spent addressing weaknesses and figuring out ways to make them strengths or at least not so weak. Tony does a good job emphasizing the importance of having a coach that should be able to help you identify these weaknesses and address them. What if you don’t have a coach or enough experience to know when and how to address these issues?
Here is where a couple guidelines come in handy. By having a goal for a workout you are setting yourself up to succeed (or fail if you miss the goal). You can ensure that your experience is uniform with what other people are doing to get the same results. The workload may change but should only be measured on an individual basis. Compare yourself to your self only. For example if i scaled fran to 65lbs and finished in 5 minutes and 6 weeks later i do it at 95 lbs in 5 minutes have i gotten more fit? Yes. Was the 5 minute fran a new experience? No, because i knew what it felt like to be in that time domain.
In my opinion going into a workout with no clue how long it will take is a HUGE mistake. You should, or your trainer should have at least a range in mind when creating the workout. If you believe that Tony doesn’t do this when he trains himself or his clients you are mistaken. I have had numerous conversations with him about how long do you think this workout will take or that workout… He gets it. He would not prescribe someone a workout without knowing about how long it will take them. There are always times when you make a mistake but the expectation is usually there. If you create a workout and have no clue what your time will be you should probably start doing some thinking about your abilities as well as finding baselines for certain movements and workouts.
This quote in particular bothers me.
So much of GPP is being prepared for anything. The reality is that anyone who is capable of performing all the main site WODs as Rx’d, even with “mediocre” times, is very well prepared for the general demands of life (barring the extremes of course).
Like we talked about earlier, by addressing your weaknesses you can bring your overall fitness up quicker by not being bogged down by things that hold you back. To go back to Fran, if 95lbs is heavy you should probably get stronger right? Is there value in doing a 10 minute fran? Sure but is there a better way to improve your performance while getting that 5 minute fran stimulus? Check this out. I would say that using some dedicated strength work to improve your strength while scaling fran down so it takes 5 minutes will give a quicker gain in overall fitness than doing fran as rx’d until you can do it in 5 minutes.
In conclusion i will go back to my first statement, the thought of GPP scares the crap out of me. If we were to take on a true GPP program there would not be any improvement in any of the 10 general physical skills. Why? We would do 1 RM deadlifts one day and go run a marathon the next. Any strength athlete knows that prolonged endurance training significantly decreases your ability to move load. It is interesting to see that the heavy loading does benefit the endurance athlete as we have seen with Crossfit. If the benefits do not crossover it is up to the individual to decide where they need to train (time domain/weaknesses).
Sorry for the ramble i hope this makes sense. Thanks for your comment and question Chris.
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9 Responses to re: Scaling…
David
June 24th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Makes perfect sense. I have found the article on scaling in the PM to be EXTREMELY beneficial to my training. Just applying the principles to help find an estimation to what I should be scaling to has made a BIG difference. I couldn’t agree more with you on this: “I would say that using some dedicated strength work to improve your strength while scaling fran down so it takes 5 minutes will give a quicker gain in overall fitness than doing fran as rx’d until you can do it in 5 minutes.” Instead of being totally trashed from trying to do the WOD rx’d the day before, I can put in another quality training session the next day. Buying your DVD and reading that article in the PM are 2 of the most helpful things I have done for my training and my clients. Thank you
dutch
June 24th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
My pleasure David!! I am glad to hear you have benefited from all the info.
Amie
June 24th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Dutch-
I read the PM article, and when I got to the part with examples and read “athlete 1″, I realized, “HEY! That’s me! That’s cool Dutch wrote about me!”, but then I realized, “Wait a minute, that’s me….oh no!”
That day was the day I turned into WODzilla, and the WOD totally broke me. I’ve never been so mad and frustrated as I was by that WOD, and I was determined to not quite (sometimes stubborness isn’t a good thing!). The one thing I remember most though was the briefing you gave me afterwards, and I feel I learned more in that few minutes than maybe I have in two+ years of doing CrossFit.
I like how you explain scaling because it just makes sense. Prior to the talk we had, scaling made me feel like somehow I was wussing out, that I didn’t do “good enough” for that WOD. I know I felt that way, partly, because in comments posted for WODs, people that scale often apologize for scaling, like it somehow doesn’t count. I felt like if it took me 30 minutes to do something Rx’d, then so be it. I’ve since learned that Rx’d is something to shoot for, but I will better serve my goals by scaling and increasing my power output.
The way you explain scaling, like the example you use for Fran, makes total sense to me. Wanted to say thanks for opening my eyes to a much better perspective of WOD because I have really benefited from it and grown into a much more productive CrossFitter (though I still run like a slow fat kid, haha)…. I’ve found there are many more WODs I can do now as Rxd, and the things I do scale, I’m getting better at, though they are still challenging for me.
Excellent posts of late – keep ‘em coming!
Dutch
June 24th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
You are awesome amie!
Thanks for your support and keep up the good work!
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Kris Kepler
June 24th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Completed the CFFB wod from Tuesday 5 burpees on the minute w/ max thrusters @135lb for the remaining seconds in the minute. Goal is to reach 100 thrusters. As with any Hero wod or metcon, as your post suggests I try to have a gameplan/ completion time in my head to shoot for. If I didn’t prepare myself mentally before hand I think it would be real easy to take unnecessary breaks or not push as hard as i can. Once I started the wod on more then one occasion did I have to ignore the “little person” in my head that’s telling you to scale or stop and take a break .. Needless to say i completed the wod in 34min, 4 minutes off my time that i had written down… not bad. Went to site today to post my time and started reading all the comments about the workout in which of the 100 or so posts only 2 people did the rx’d weight, while the majority scaled down the weight and the amount of reps they chose to do, it makes me ponder the mental awareness of the complete athlete who is not only physically fit, but mentally fit as well. I know their is guys on that site that are stronger, faster, better technique, but might be lacking the mental strength to push through a demanding wod like a Hero wod. Scaling is necessary when need be, but never sell yourself short.
here is a great will smith video talking about just this… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEMEBBwO6J8 sorry for the long rant..
Chris Wood
June 24th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Dutch:
I’m honored you took the time to reply. Thanks for your insights and for your blog!
Pierre’s article is one of the best I’ve read in a while. He does a great job of presenting a hybrid of strength/OL program, coupled with scaled metcon to maximize power output.
In the 3+ years I’ve been CF’ing, I’ve shifted my training to more of Pierre’s template – strength/OL and shorter metcons rather than following the main page as Rx’d. Slogging through 2-3 long metcons per week, at my age and with my sleep/recovery, is totally counterproductive to my goals. 1-2 long (> 15min) metcons a month still can challenge strength endurance, while still being able to progress in strength, OL, and skill work.
dutch
June 25th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Kris,
You are right. There is value in going RX’d. Sometimes.
Good point!
Ben Moskowitz
June 30th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
So Dutch, you would say that a hybrid style of training would lead to faster progress than using Brand X scaling? Under particular circumstances?