Comments on: Fighting the Weakness http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/ Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:31:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: dave http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1558 dave Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:09:06 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1558 doesn't Coach Rut's MEBB use conjugate periodization for the effort lifting? doesn’t Coach Rut’s MEBB use conjugate periodization for the effort lifting?

]]> By: mike http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1556 mike Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:26:13 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1556 I've actually been wondering if it's at all possible to do a mix of conjugate periodization on lifts coupled with metcon when you hit hit a wall on linear progressive overloading. I will need to think about that some more. Roughly speaking, because we CrossFitters will never give up metcon, we will always be doing multi-lateral capability development, something that could be loosely classified as concurrent periodization. At the same time, our slow but steady progress from the "do everything" approach may allow us to indefinitely continue with the linear approach. Anyway, just some food for thought that I need to chew on more. I’ve actually been wondering if it’s at all possible to do a mix of conjugate periodization on lifts coupled with metcon when you hit hit a wall on linear progressive overloading. I will need to think about that some more. Roughly speaking, because we CrossFitters will never give up metcon, we will always be doing multi-lateral capability development, something that could be loosely classified as concurrent periodization. At the same time, our slow but steady progress from the “do everything” approach may allow us to indefinitely continue with the linear approach. Anyway, just some food for thought that I need to chew on more.

]]> By: Dutch http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1555 Dutch Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:25:21 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1555 Dave, I have thought about doing that many times... (quitting Crossfit to get better at everything else). Dave,
I have thought about doing that many times… (quitting Crossfit to get better at everything else).

]]> By: dave http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1533 dave Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:47:55 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1533 That makes sense with the progression stuff. It makes me wonder if there is a faster path to "fitness" than slowly bringing up each domain. That is, if you could afford to suck at some for a while. Like max out in strength and then try to maintain as best as you can while dragging the others up. You won't end up with maxed out strength, but I wonder if it would be any faster, given that you are shooting for the same end goal in both cases. Eh, probably not...more fun maybe... Nice job with the snatch!! I wish I could have seen it, that's badass! That makes sense with the progression stuff. It makes me wonder if there is a faster path to “fitness” than slowly bringing up each domain. That is, if you could afford to suck at some for a while. Like max out in strength and then try to maintain as best as you can while dragging the others up. You won’t end up with maxed out strength, but I wonder if it would be any faster, given that you are shooting for the same end goal in both cases. Eh, probably not…more fun maybe…

Nice job with the snatch!! I wish I could have seen it, that’s badass!

]]> By: dutch http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1526 dutch Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:20:45 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1526 Mike , Thank you for checking out the blog and i am glad you are enjoying the content. I actually had a pretty good post on that topic a couple weeks ago. I think there was a pretty good discussion as well. Here it is: http://www.dutchlowy.com/?s=MEBB Craig, I encourage people that are new to Crossfit to be patient. Give the program a chance to work. You are in good hands in CS Trust me. I was looking at your blog and like your commitment but think you are going to miss the benefits if you take on that workload. I would recommend hitting the workout as hard as possible and leaving only stretching post workout. Your skill stuff will be better served before hitting the workout. It is hard when you feel like you are not making any progress but stick with it and it will pay off. Pick certain weaknesses and address them for a couple weeks at a time. It is futile to try to conquer them all at once. I would tackle the flexibility issue first followed by technique and strength. Fortunately they are all interwoven so you can get benefits from all by working a couple moves. Danny and Jordan know what they are. If you have anymore questions please let me know. I love helping Crossfit Newbies! Dave, You are so right! SD is going to kick ass. I am tempted to just give the floor to Max and sit in the audience... I think theoretically a linear progression should work indefinitely for Crossfitters. If you ever get to a point where that doesn't work you should look at yourself and be able to identify additional weaknesses. You have probably neglected something. According to the way HQ programs linear strength progressions should work. Because their charter is broad general and inclusive fitness you can never reach a point where you are maxed out in anyone domain. It is unfortunate. If you take skip and my stance where strength is a good substitute for some lesser skills then there will be a point when you need to have a little more structure. I haven't made it there yet so i can't comment on what will be needed. I can imagine something like what Greg does at catalyst would work pretty well. FYI I snatched 205 yesterday! I was inspired by seeing you and had to go for it. I got 210 next time! Mike ,
Thank you for checking out the blog and i am glad you are enjoying the content.
I actually had a pretty good post on that topic a couple weeks ago. I think there was a pretty good discussion as well. Here it is:
http://www.dutchlowy.com/?s=MEBB

Craig,
I encourage people that are new to Crossfit to be patient. Give the program a chance to work. You are in good hands in CS Trust me. I was looking at your blog and like your commitment but think you are going to miss the benefits if you take on that workload. I would recommend hitting the workout as hard as possible and leaving only stretching post workout. Your skill stuff will be better served before hitting the workout.

It is hard when you feel like you are not making any progress but stick with it and it will pay off. Pick certain weaknesses and address them for a couple weeks at a time. It is futile to try to conquer them all at once. I would tackle the flexibility issue first followed by technique and strength. Fortunately they are all interwoven so you can get benefits from all by working a couple moves. Danny and Jordan know what they are.
If you have anymore questions please let me know. I love helping Crossfit Newbies!

Dave,
You are so right! SD is going to kick ass. I am tempted to just give the floor to Max and sit in the audience…

I think theoretically a linear progression should work indefinitely for Crossfitters. If you ever get to a point where that doesn’t work you should look at yourself and be able to identify additional weaknesses. You have probably neglected something. According to the way HQ programs linear strength progressions should work.
Because their charter is broad general and inclusive fitness you can never reach a point where you are maxed out in anyone domain. It is unfortunate.

If you take skip and my stance where strength is a good substitute for some lesser skills then there will be a point when you need to have a little more structure. I haven’t made it there yet so i can’t comment on what will be needed. I can imagine something like what Greg does at catalyst would work pretty well.

FYI
I snatched 205 yesterday! I was inspired by seeing you and had to go for it. I got 210 next time!

]]> By: MikeM http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1525 MikeM Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:51:23 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1525 Whats up Dutch. Great topic you've been covering over the last few days. I'm curious what your thoughts are on CF Strength Bias developed by Jeff Martin. Would you modify their system in a general sense? I mean, obviously any system can and should be tailored for the individual, but would you make any changes overall to the system? First time poster here, but a big fan of the blog. Whats up Dutch. Great topic you’ve been covering over the last few days. I’m curious what your thoughts are on CF Strength Bias developed by Jeff Martin. Would you modify their system in a general sense? I mean, obviously any system can and should be tailored for the individual, but would you make any changes overall to the system?

First time poster here, but a big fan of the blog.

]]> By: Craig http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1523 Craig Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:20:18 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1523 So . . . what if you're both? I'm a month into CrossFit (ATM) and it feels like I'm swimming more than running - having to focus on technique completely some days without getting a real workout in. I have real trouble due to inflexibility and poor technique, but I'm not that strong yet either. Should I just give it a few more months and let the normal CF run it's path? So . . . what if you’re both? I’m a month into CrossFit (ATM) and it feels like I’m swimming more than running – having to focus on technique completely some days without getting a real workout in. I have real trouble due to inflexibility and poor technique, but I’m not that strong yet either. Should I just give it a few more months and let the normal CF run it’s path?

]]> By: dave http://www.dutchlowy.com/2009/06/18/fighting-the-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-1522 dave Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:28:05 +0000 http://www.dutchlowy.com/?p=542#comment-1522 I read that Max and John Welbourn were going to be at the seminar at Invictus? Dang! I imagine some great topics will come up. How long do you think linear progressions will work for CrossFitters? Indefinitely? Does a typical CFer ever even get strong enough to worry about the more complicated loading/volume progressions? I read that Max and John Welbourn were going to be at the seminar at Invictus? Dang! I imagine some great topics will come up.

How long do you think linear progressions will work for CrossFitters? Indefinitely? Does a typical CFer ever even get strong enough to worry about the more complicated loading/volume progressions?

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